Finding focus

KU Law 3L Emily Brown

Law student with OCD manages condition with accommodations, perseverance

My friends from high school like to joke around about the new, low-key version of Emily Brown. They saw me at my worst: unmedicated, with a mind that could never sleep or quiet down.

I didn’t sleep. I barely ate; I weighed under 90 pounds. I had panic attacks daily, and I had a fever or an infection almost every week. The doctors tested me for everything under the sun. At one point, a doctor looked at me and asked if what I was experiencing was “all in my head.”

It was — in a way.

My parents pushed me to get psychiatric help. But I was reluctant. My illness was about control, and I thought it was something I should be able to handle. If it was in my head, why couldn’t I fix it? But at one point during my junior year, I sat on the floor of my bedroom. I knew things needed to change. I was tired.

I was diagnosed with obsessive-compulsive disorder (OCD) soon after that, and since then, I’ve been taking medication to help alleviate my symptoms.

When I first considered law school, I was hesitant. While I thrived in high-stress environments, I also knew that my mental illness did, too.

KU Law student Emily Brown in a KU Law classroom.I took the plunge anyway. The first year was tough. The adjustment to a new schedule, to new people was physically stressful. But I made it through.

I was lucky enough to make a few friends and find a place for myself in Green Hall. Director of Career & Student Counseling Services Leah Terranova told me about academic accom-modations, and for the first time in my life, I did not have to spend my finals worrying about the person sitting next to me. By getting my own room, I could control my environment and focus on what was important: the test.

In the past, I’ve been distracted by the simplest things. How close someone is next to me, where their stuff is located and how neat it is. Someone rubbing their jeans, a fly, the sound of a ticking clock. Someone shifting in their seat or moving frequently could leave me unable to focus for an entire test period. But space was the key factor in my ability to focus.

By myself, I could focus perfectly.

I watched my first criminal trial during my first summer in law school. I realized that day that I wanted to do criminal law and to be a prosecutor.

For someone with OCD, for someone with any anxiety disorder, this was a terrifying thought. Public speaking was not my strength, and I saw how much analysis and argumentation had to be done without any preparation. I wasn’t sure if I was cut out for it; I wasn’t sure if I could handle the stress of being in the courtroom all day, of being a litigator. But the stubborn person I am, I decided to try it.

I learned this summer that my mental illness did not have to hold me back in the real world. I interned at the Sedgwick County District Attorney’s Office, and I had one of the best experiences of my life. I had the chance to try my first jury trial. I stood up, spoke, and I did not puke — not once. The defendant decided to testify last minute, and the defense introduced wild evidence on the last day. I had absolutely no control, and I loved every moment of it.

Law is not an easy career choice, and with the added stress of having a mental illness, it can be an even more difficult field to work in. But that is the beauty of law. It is terrifying, overwhelming and challenging, but when you put that pen to paper for the first time at your job or when you stand in front of a judge and speak, you know exactly why the fight is worth it.

— Emily Brown is a third-year KU Law student from Overland Park.

Visiting Scholar Spotlight: Doğan Durna

Five questions with Doğan Durna, visiting scholar from Turkey

1. Why did you choose to study at KU Law? How did you learn about our program and establish contact?

In 2010 I met Prof.John Head through a friend of mine who studied at KU Law. We discussed the Turkey portion of his book draft. At that time I told Prof. Head I hoped to find an opportunity to study at KU  Law in the future. Last year my wish came true:  I was granted a scholarship by the Ministry of Food, Agriculture and Livestock of Turkey, and I found an opportunity to study here. When I got the scholarship I contacted my faculty shepherd, Prof. Andrew Torrance. He accepted me, and I started my study here.

2. What are your professional goals for your time at KU Law? What will be your next career step after your time here?

My goal is to get a deeper knowledge about my working area–namely, biotechnology law and policy. Also I hope to make contacts to prospect research. After I finish my research KU I will return to my home institution and serve as legal advisor on agrilaw issues.

3.How does the academic and research environment at KU Law differ from your home culture / institution?

There are differences from my home institution. First, all academic and administrative staff are very helpful and kind. When you need help they try their best. Secondly, KU Law has a multicultural environment. You can find different people from different parts of the world. It gives an opportunity for comparative understanding of legal issues.

4.What are your favorite things about Lawrence? What about home do you miss the most?

I have several favorite things  about Lawrence but the most important ones are that Lawrence is a small and safe city for child raising and people are very friendly. I miss my family and my hometown.

5. What advice would you offer to other scholars who may want to do research abroad?

People who want to do research abroad should improve their foreign language ability. Study abroad is a very good opportunity to build a network for prospective academic and professional work. Try to meet people who work in a relevant field.

Doğan Durna analyzes agricultural biotechnology policy and law in Turkey. 

Presiding over the classroom

Kansas Supreme Court Justice Caleb Stegall teaching at KU Law

Kansas Supreme Court Justice Caleb Stegall teaches Appellate Advocacy at KU Law.

Alumni judges return to KU Law as teachers

For future attorneys whose professional success will often hinge on the ruling of a judge, having one as a law professor can be especially instructive.

Just ask 3L Lindsay Strong.

“Having a Kansas Supreme Court justice as a professor has provided the unique opportunity to learn how judges think and what they are looking for,” said Strong, who is taking Appellate Advocacy this fall from Kansas Supreme Court Justice Caleb Stegall. “This advantage is especially valuable given the court will ultimately decide the fate of our case.”

Stegall, L’99, is one of two sitting members of the judiciary teaching at KU Law. Judge Steve Leben, L’82, of the Kansas Court of Appeals, has taught Legislation (now Legislation & Statutory Interpretation) each spring but one since 2007. This is Stegall’s first time behind the classroom podium.

“I’ve enjoyed returning home to Green Hall,” Stegall said. “Being able to see anew the ideals of our profession through the eagerness and excitement of students is an invigorating reminder to practitioners and judges of why we fell in love with the law in the first place.”

Sitting judges serve KU Law in a variety of ways, from presiding over the final round of the in-house moot court competition to administering an oath of professionalism to each year’s incoming class to supervising students in judicial field placements and more. Some of those relationships span decades. Judge Robert Fairchild, L’73, of the Douglas County District Court retired from his service at KU Law last spring after 26 years of teaching Alternative Dispute Resolution and Criminal Law to generations of students.

“Students definitely get value from having a chance to interact in the classroom with a sitting judge,” Leben said. “Over the course of the semester, in addition to learning the subject matter at hand, they also get a feel for how courts and judges really work. I regularly discuss with them things that have happened in oral argument or in working through an opinion – after it’s released, of course. And as the semester goes along, they feel free to ask more questions about the judicial process.”

Stegall requires his Appellate Advocacy students to observe oral arguments at the Kansas Supreme Court, where they see classroom conversations play out in a practical setting.

“This allows us, as students, to focus on the positive and negative aspects of attorneys’ advocacy styles and determine how we would go about advocating differently,” Strong said.

Beyond imparting practical skills, Stegall said he hopes increased interaction between law students and judges helps strengthen the relationship between the legal academy and the judiciary. “Anything we can do to reconnect the two strikes me as a good thing for the bench, the bar and the legal profession as a whole.”

Leben, who is winding down a 20-year run as editor of Court Review, the quarterly journal of the American Judges Association, hopes he might be able to add a second course to his teaching load at some point.

“If I weren’t teaching, I would miss getting to know these new students who are starting careers, thinking about what they can do to contribute and how they can do their best work,” Leben said. “Like all teachers, I suspect, I know that our future is in the hands of today’s students. If I can help them be their best, I’ve done my part.”

— By Mindie Paget

10 reasons to attend the Southwest Kansas Bar Association annual meeting

Southwest Kansas Bar Association attendees

Miranda Clark-Ulrich, third from left, attended the 2017 Southwest Kansas Bar Association meeting in Dodge City with Assistant Dean of Career Services Arturo Thompson, far left, and fellow KU Law students.

Over my birthday weekend early this September, I gathered with attorneys and fellow students to see what the life as a Jayhawk lawyer in southwest Kansas looks like, and I have to say, it wasn’t half bad. To further describe my experience, I decided to provide the top 10 reasons to go to the Southwest Kansas Bar Association annual meeting during your time at KU Law.

  1. First and foremost, pecan-coated bacon. I’m serious, that stuff was too delicious. We were able to enjoy the bacon among many other Western delights, including mountain oysters, at the party that was thrown for our KU Law group and the Washburn Law students. I’m a total foodie, so they basically won my heart from the start with the meal.
  2. Now back to this party. The trip is one night, but they certainly make that a night to remember. After a panel of attorneys answered our questions, we were taught the merengue by a professional dance coach so that we could properly get our groove on later that night. A band, beer, great conversation, and as previously stated, food, was provided for the students for the purpose of giving us the opportunity to meet attorneys casually.
  3. At this party we were also able to mingle with Washburn Law students and created friendships with some of them. Comparing law school experiences was intriguing, to say the least. After the party, several of us made plans to meet up again at the Boot Hill Casino to continue the evening, where our connections were made stronger.
  4. Not only were attorneys and other law students at the party, there were several judges, including Kansas Court of Appeals judges. I was having what was probably too casual of a conversation and asked the person I was speaking with what they do, and learned they were on the Kansas Court of Appeals. Umm, oops! As it turns out, one of them is from my hometown, so I was able to make a strong connection with her. In another instance, I was discussing a case that my boss and I presented in front of the Kansas Court of Appeals this past summer, and he was one of the judges on the case. There was ample opportunity to make connections and meet distinguished people from diverse areas of the law. I had no expectation of that happening when I signed up for the trip.
  5. After enjoying the company of people I hope to be like when I grow up, we hit the Boot Hill Casino. We probably stayed way too late for having interviews the next day, but boy was it a good time. No one lost hardly anything, and most people profited at least something. The Chiefs beat the Patriots, and I “mastered” blackjack.
  6. The main purpose of the trip was interviewing with potential employers the next day. There were seven interviewers and roughly 13 students between KU and Washburn. Each interview was 10 minutes long, and then we rotated. I thoroughly enjoyed this interview process because it was casual, low-pressure and helped students make quick connections or figure out if a particular opportunity was a good fit. The start of each interview usually included the interviewer telling me what it is they do and asking if I am interested in working in that capacity. Several of them were transactional, so that was a quick no, but that did not conclude the interview. We then knew that I would likely never work for them and spent the rest of the time discussing what it is like to work in southwest Kansas or experiences that they thought I might learn from. The overall experience was productive, and I made about four contacts that I could see going somewhere.
  7. Who doesn’t love a good road trip? I’ve always loved a good drive, and Lawrence to Dodge City is definitely a stretch. During our 10 total hours in the car, I got to better know not only the fellow law students who enjoyed the trip, but also the professors who drove. My van was driven by Professor Suzanne Valdez, and I would consider her to be a strong contact after having hours of discussion. We also stopped and ate going each way, and I already mentioned how I am about food. Moral of the story: Don’t let the long drive hold you back from attending this trip. We made good use of the time and enjoyed every minute of it.
  8. For those of you readers from eastern Kansas, or really anywhere besides western Kansas, I think it would be worth your while to check out the other side of the state. Life is quite different from life in good old Larryville, but I certainly wouldn’t say for the worse. People are incredibly friendly, there are things to do (contrary to popular belief), and it’s so humble. I’m not saying everyone should go live that life, but seeing what else is out there is important because, who knows? You might totally change your path.
  9. Not only are people who work in wansas attorneys, they are also major community influencers and leaders. They hold powerful positions and make actual change happen for their towns. People look up to small-town attorneys in a different way than attorneys in larger cities.
  10. Lastly, there are so many job opportunities in all different areas of law, or a combination of several of them. And they pay well! One huge benefit I see to working in western Kansas is that most attorneys work way fewer hours, have a personal life and get paid relatively similar to attorneys working in larger firms. Another great benefit is that so many are hiring or wanting to pass their firm on to the next attorney. People often do general practice rather than focusing on one specific area, so if that’s something you’re into, this could be a good fit. After working in western Kansas all summer, I can see the need for attorneys across that part of the state. There are some great opportunities just waiting to be snagged.

— Miranda Clark-Ulrich is a 2L from Russell, Kansas.

Visiting Scholar Spotlight: Yueqing Li

Five questions with Yueqing Li, visiting scholar from China

1. Why did you choose to study at KU Law? How did you learn about our program and establish contact?

One of my friends recommended KU to me.When viewing the web page of KU, I found my supervisor had the same research area. So we began communication and finally I came here.

2. What are your professional goals for your time at KU Law? What will be your next career step after your time here?

My main goal at KU Law is to get more knowledge about American business law. After I go back to China I may continue my research in business law from a comparative  perspective.

3. How does the academic and research environment at KU Law differ from your home culture / institution?

There are more study and research materials are available.

4. What are your favorite things about Lawrence? What about home do you miss the most?     

I like the quiet environment and beautiful natural scenery in Lawrence. I miss my relatives and friends .

5. What advice would you offer to other scholars who may want to do research abroad?

Prepare to take up challenges including language, communication, study and daily life.

Yueqing Li conducts comparative research on Chinese and American corporate law. 

An entrepreneur in the law

Group shot in front of bridge

The Legal Hackers International Summit in Brooklyn featured lawyers, professors, coders and entrepreneurs from the U.S., Nigeria, Ukraine, Dubai, Canada and more ― all focused on the common theme of making law more accessible and efficient through technology. 2L Nate Crosser, third from left on the front row, attended on behalf of the Kauffman Foundation.

After a respite from the pressures of “Fun-L” year (in the form of a trip to Europe), I dove right into two jobs this summer. I had no idea what to do with my life, so I decided to hedge my bets and work in two totally different sectors. I didn’t expect that the two together would serendipitously give me clarity and purpose. I want to do whatever I can to make the law more accessible and efficient through the entrepreneurial process.

I spent the first half of my summer working for the chief judge of the U.S. District Bankruptcy Court, District of Kansas in Topeka and the latter half at the Kauffman Foundation in Kansas City.

My biggest takeaways from my judicial field placement were that the law does not work the same for everyone, and in most instances, justice is extremely slow and expensive. Even in the bankruptcy system ― where people are there literally because they don’t have enough money ― it seems to be a practical necessity to hire an attorney. Once a case has been opened, hours and hours of attorney, court and trustee time are devoted to tracking and arguing over the debtor’s payment progress. I spotted a problem.

At the Kauffman Foundation (a large non-profit), I worked in the entrepreneurship department, where our goal was to create systems to support entrepreneurs across the country. An entrepreneur is someone who sees problem as opportunity, then has the courage, ingenuity and grit to pursue a novel solution.

A few months ago, thanks to the Kauffman Foundation, I got to attend the Legal Hackers International Summit in Brooklyn ― a gathering designed to improve the field of law through technology and entrepreneurship. It was a surreal experience, where I got to work with thought (and action) leaders from around the globe.

Jim Sandman speaking before group.

Jim Sandman, Legal Services Corporation president, speaks at the Legal Hackers International Summit.

Our first speaker was Jim Sandman, president of Legal Services Corporation, the largest funder of low-income civil legal aid in the U.S. He stressed the myopia of the field of law ― it is designed by lawyers, for lawyers, to perpetuate lawyering ― despite the fact that in 70 percent of state civil cases, at least one party is “pro se” (without an attorney), and as high as 90 percent in eviction cases. This wouldn’t be a problem if our system were more user friendly, but it’s not. Mr. Sandman summed up the problem with an anecdote about a sign in a courtroom that read “pro se litigants here” ― as if they were supposed to know what that means.

The rest of the summit was devoted to innovators providing their solutions to tackle problems in the law: using data science and network theory to improve prosecution of human traffickers, using the blockchain to enable self-sovereign personal identification, creating transparent systems to fight corruption and bureaucracy in the Middle East and Nigeria, and more.

I could say a lot more, but this is already too long. Suffice to say, I took a couple seemingly random internships this summer, and it has changed the rest of my life! I suppose the takeaway for my classmates reading this is go ahead and do that weird thing you aren’t sure will help your career. It could be the most important thing you do.

― Nate Crosser is a 2L and KU Law Student Ambassador from Lenexa.